Friday, May 05, 2006

Who Said It? - Part IV

Here's a triple-header: a conversation between three people.

Any guesses? Try for ALL THREE!

PERSON 1: "The force of faith is in the spiritual realm a great deal like certain forces in the natural realm. It is a spiritual force, like gravity is a natural force, and electricity is a natural force of power."

PERSON 2: "A measurable natural force."

PERSON 1: "It’s a measurable force, it’s conductible, it’s perceptible to the touch . . . Faith is a spiritual force, it’s perceptible, . . . it is a tangible force, it’s an invisible force, so is gravity, but it is there."

PERSON 2: "So is electricity . . . Does God use faith?"

PERSON 1: "Surely."

PERSON 2: ". . . See, here is the sore spot. There are those who say . . ."

PERSON 3: "Not with him." (speaking of

PERSON 2: "Not with you." (lots of laughter follows)

PERSON 3: "Not with God."

PERSON 1: ". . . the fact. No, I’m not sore at God at all and I don’t think He’s sore at me . . . I haven’t done anything to Him."

PERSON 2: ". . . The critics say God is God, He doesn’t have to have faith; He doesn’t exercise faith. He doesn’t use faith. He’s God. He’s the object of faith."

PERSON 1: " . . . Wait a minute, what does that mean? Object of faith. I don’t know what that means."

PERSON 3: "I don’t either."

Just thinking here - I'm pretty sure they don't know what "object of faith" means! And a whole lot more!


Jim Pemberton said...

Yikes! Could be Yoda and Luke Skywalker.

"May the force of faith be with you,"

"And also with you."

Mike Cline said...

Philip, Mark and Brian

Anonymous said...

Forgive a Pentecostal-turned-agnostic-turned-Methodist, but what exactly does "object of faith" mean?


Jim Pemberton said...

Jeff or one of the other guys here may have something a little more astute and refined than this, but I understand faith to involve more than simple belief or trust. One thing faith is not is wishing hard enough for something to happen until it happens, which is what many people erroneously get out of the "faith to move mountains" passages. As such, "Faith in God" often seems to be an action done by someone toward God making God the "object of faith".

However, faith toward God is passive. In other words, it's not what we do to God, but it's what God does inside of us through His Holy Spirit. Faith toward God is really God's faithfulness to us. The end result is a transformation that is evident in our actions toward others. This is the "cup that overflows". It is to love God because He first loved us and likewise to love others. And this is not that simple ooey-gooey love, but a substantial love that, among other things, realizes that considering others' best interests above your own means sometimes doing things that are not always pleasant - for yourself or others - but is bold enough to do them anyway.

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